Rock and Roll !
Without a doubt!
in honor of our escaping!
Nice retrospective of human history. May add - and then they straightened up and went to build the pyramids...
* the first human rhythms
came from knapping rock
a hallowed ancient tradition
rocks struck together
>points & arrows <
archaeologist have found quarry -men
(flint, chert ,chalcedony)
who would beat these materials
producing sharp shards
flint & chert also produces sparks
when struck together
so meat and fire was easily procured
the bbq was on and beer was soon to follow
ah! the good old days!
They always did this activity on the incline
so that the stones would roll
clear evidence that a band of homo hablis
participated in unison
for the good of the tribe
producing rhythmic rock sounds
further evidence thatthe whole thing
started w/ rock & roll
and now its out of
hey pal !
that's not my strong suit
like string theory that out of tune
maybe you’ll understand my follow up post ?
coming to this thread soon
keep on rockn' !
Unfortunately, i am still hard to fully understand your metaphorical language but it`s my problem. However, of course theme of big bang is very interesting but it`s too ephemeral for me, i feel closer to things which can be logically comprehended.
postulating that the Big Bang itself is flawed
Its timing was off by 521 squared by 1n5
or its vector in nothingness was off by a
billionth of billionth of billionth
and so on
were talking Infinitesimals here
critical tho…when the goal is
the best of all possible harmonics universe
waiting for the moment to begin the
Thanks for the quote. I dont quite understand what you mean when say that something wrong? Wrong with people or with nature? What attitude the big bang to our present (it was 16 billion years ago and unknown there was it or not)?
from the front
barometer at zero
strangled by snow
flight-drive thru desert
neon capitals, Wilderness
echoed & silenced
that really appeals to my Platonic séances
creation of cosmos being harmonious
must get in tune with it
become one with the all
but I seem to be off key **
or is there a rhythmic flaw in the big bang?
maybe its timing was off?
something wrong…something not quite right….
**reminds me of the day
I encountered the yoga hot dog vendor
I told him to make me one with everything…
Dont want to disappoint but these are my own thoughts (however if my ideas are close to Jim`s, it`s pleasure for me). I understand your message but really think that nature is full of harmony, otherwise it would not exist (of course it`s not a proof and requires more arguments)."...gnawing, gnashing, knapping..." - for whom it will be a higher harmony, for whom is the most gentle melody will sound as cacophony. In my opinion, the only disharmonious substance on the Earth is the modern technocratic human (with some exceptions). As to harmony in music, i`m convinced that it`s born from a feeling (in other words, from an intuition), not from a logic...
A study on Morrison philosophy
of nature’s harmony ?
but as a good existentialist
I do believe- he’d agree
Nature a disharmonious Bitch
gnawing gnashing knapping *
is nature rhythm
cruel & cold sounds
to the keys of humans aspiration
ah! That what makes great music!
*(morrison on that later)
Harmony and rhythm is in everything that surrounds us, only people (believing that they are the ultimate creations) obsessed of idea of invention a wheel, instead of learning to drive it...
rock’n on !
makes me wonder the origin of music?
does nature have a harmony?
beyond the piano birds lust chirps ?
a harmony of the spheres?
or is it all
Peking King & His New York Queen?
and just what came first ?
Rhythm or Soul ?
is rock n roll ?
when ya get a new stylus to groove
that circular blade you’ll be diamond jazz’n
Golden Scarab is a Philosophy 101
course and roll
over the decades its always played
funky tight & shine light
By analogy with Jim`s quote about films i may say that music is a few chaotic syntethic sounds from which the master creates a masterpiece or not... In general i think that Jim had a much more questions than answers (however as each of us regardless of personal progress).
The Golden Scarab, autographed copy just arrived this week, hang'n out to play it , gotta get new stylis first. Wow is in like new cond. I love it how the inner sleeve is in newspaper style print with write ups on other bands for e.g BTO! and more.
The assassin (?) in flight, gravitated with
unconscious, instinctual insect ease, moth-
like, toward a zone of safety, haven from the
swarming streets. Quickly, he was devoured
in the warm, dark, silent maw of the physical
because this thread is weaving all over
w/ films, assassination & random rolling rock
some quotes from,The Lords
so with out further delay
great quote mohs
Films are collection of dead pictures which are
given artificial insemination.
Thanks for the reference on Norman Mailer, if i meet his movie i shall necessarily look it. However there are so many directors which deserve if not admiration then respect (i can count about hundred or more and of course Coppola is in this list) that life is not enough to see all.
Ray was good as director, "L.A. Women" is very harmonious clip (not surprisingly because it`s his music), unfortunately i don`t see full version of "Love her madly" but hope to see.
Norman Mailer needs to be put in the director chair also
He directed the movie of his novel,
“Tough Guys Don’t Dance”.
It’s one of my favorite novels
The lines by the character are way over the top.
The movie not bad either.
A bit campy. I like that.
Francis Ford Coppola !!
Lets not forget Ray.
He directed some very fine short film clips.
His work on L.A. Woman video is rolling.
The full length movie “Love Her Madly”
shows some great direction.
The actors delivered stellar performances.
I think on the tv cannot be seen all of the truth (just a some fragments). I have seen "U-turn" (good movie, Sean Penn, Nick Nolte, JLo is fantastic actors, really JLo as singer is a big mistake). Stone is a great director (however my favorites is Ridley Scott, Jim Jarmusch, Darren Aronofsky, Akira Kurosava, Takeshi Kitano and some else) and his author`s vision is very respectful but sometime he exceeds a sense of measures (like in "Alexander" and "The Doors". "The Doors" is very good movie but in my opinion Jim was shown very simplistically so as Ray, Robby and John. Val Kilmer played fantastically!).
I think the History Channel (utube) as a documentary on the JFK assassination (and particularly about Oswald)
that interviews Mailer.
Thorough introduction on the subject.
Greil Marcus book, “The Doors: Listening to 5 Mean Years,” as good insight on Stones take of the Doors. If you want to see one of the best Stone movies “U-Turn” is highly recommended. If only for the desert scenery.
Where I do lots of rock hounding.
Not to go to far afield
but have you ever heard of the
Lost Dutchman Gold Mine in the
Superstition Mountains of Arizona?
Weird scenes indeed!!
Thanks for the explanation, i know about this theme but not to catch the nuances. Unfortunately i`m not seen not "Oswald tale", not "The naked & the dead" and not sure that it have been translated into russian, but i know that Oswald lived few years in Russia and even had there wife; i know that there are many versions of this event and i think that (more possibly) Oswald became "dummy duck". Stone`s "JFK" of course translated but i looked it for a long time ago (going to look the director`s cut, it longest of theatrical at 17 min). Stone in my opinion too enthusiastic to show his own view of some key events (and it`s a normally) but sometimes it turns to a farce (like in "The Doors").
As to yours shop story, i think it`s really strange for yours country but i can easy imagine this situation in our society (russian, ukrainian), it`s real paradox - in countries with so great culture most part of the society has a cultural level below the floor (however as in India or China) and it`s very sad.
O I have some understanding how difficult translating must be.
Ya done killer job. And the JFK assassination & the Jim connection is cryptic. It hard to understand American sixties with out having some knowledge the impact that assassination had on the cultural psyche. JFK conspiracy theory is a huge business in America 50 years later. So my cryptic remark was meant for any of those types who may be looking in.
It is funny how much Rus influence is in that event. Have you ever seen or read Norman Mailer “Oswald Tale?” I was turned on to Norman Mailer again through Jim. Jim mentioned working for Norman Mailer’s Mayoral campaign. New York 1968. That’s all it took. I bought “The Naked & the Dead,” back then and have been a big fan ever since.
Funny to cause Oliver Stone did the JFK movie.
Is that translated it Rus?
Another loose Doors connection.
Thanks for a compliment, but reading, writing and check with translator is a titanic work (of course i don`t want to look an idiot).
Unfortunately your story about Jim is very short, therefore i don`t fully understand it or, rather, don`t cath an essence of it (relation of LBJ (L.Johnson how i understand), conspirator...), sorry. But i think that fact is very interesting, don`t heard about it.
About Tom Waits, i think he greatest musician after Morrison and Hendrix, and he still alive!
A truly bizarre conversation today
One that makes no damn sense
in the context of the story.
I think ye Doors fans will appreciate.
I stopped in to this used record shop
Its a well established shop.
At least 100,000 used album in stock.
Just walked in the door &
the proprietor immediately
asks if I’m looking for anything in particular?
This sort of irritated me.
I was goofing off on the job
and just wanted to browse
& kill some time.
But what the heck!
Assuming a certain amount of trade proficiency
I might just get into a good conversation.
“Got any Ray Manzarek”?
The person gives me this quizzical look. I thought strange.
But I followed them to the miscellaneous ‘M’ file
as they start flipping through about 30 albums.
Heck I can spot a Manzarek album a mile away.
There were none.
But a Phil Manzanera L.P. gets pulled out.
Half jokingly I said:
“Nah that his cousin.
I’m looking for Ray ManzarREK”
Then the owner asks (and I’m not kidding)
“Is he black? Maybe he’s in the Soul section”.
“No he’s probably more of an old blues man”
(Now in the back of my mind
I’m going to play this one out.
Just how ignorant is this person?)
“He’s gold & white. A keyboard player, I think?
Used to play in a rock band”?
“No. I think it was AB-DC”
Starts heading towards “ A “ filenoofooooling
“Ummm that’s O.K. I’ll search elsewhere”.
“Well I could look it up on the internet”.
“Nah… I don’t know how to spell it.”
Muttering to myself
that I always forget the “c.”
I thanked them for their diligence.
Said I had to get back to work.
A first for me!
Thanks for the reference in the Keyboard magazine.
I recalled reading about Ray mentioning a Russian influence.
Now I have some clue.
There was a story that Jim, on one of his hitchhiking trips,
met up with a relation of LBJ. Ended up at the ranch bbq.
Conspirator like to quote that as inside knowledge of the What occurred, and in the context of the song; it’s a strong sung statement.
Probably one of my favorite Morrison moments.
Your English is better than mine
and that’s the only language I speak Ha Ha
but I have a story that’s coming up
that doesn’t make me feel so bad
I’ll check out the Waits !
First come `n`...
I understand that so "The Moorish Idol" is for me, nice. Thanks for possibility to fill the gaps in my outlook:
Alexis Korner & The Big beat: yes, i heard.
Ray Manzarek and Russian influence: "... Raised on the South Side of Chicago, Manzarek said his influences included the African-American blues and jazz music that was popular in that section of the city, including the work of blues legend Muddy Waters. He was also inspired by Russian classical music, such as Igor Stravinsky’s “The Rite of Spring,” he told Keyboard Magazine in a 1991 interview.
“It was a combination of the blues and Russian classical music, and then of course Miles [Davis]. ... When I figured out what he was doing, it was so much fun to play. Eventually, all of these influences became the way I play the piano”..." (He said blues, not rock`n`roll!). In general i have opinion that russian culture is great and influenced on many artists over the whole world (may be pathetic but truth).
Krieger`s "Russian caravan" is good thing (jazzy not rock`n`roll!) but i`m not sure that fully understand why "russian", may be light feeling restlessness and jazzy chaos but flamenco... However i`m not a musical critic or musician but i think Waits`s "Russian dance" is more closer to "Russia".
As to Morrison`s "Not to touch the earth..." of course i don`t understand that he mean (in symbolism each word can be many values), i only may try to assume some reference: "dead presidente" may be JFK, "Czar" may be Nikolay II or (considering symbolic values "west is dead", "east is birth") God (may be Jesus) (but it`s light view, i do not pretend on final instance).
Finally, i`m not try to show how smart i am, i just express my opinion on the issues that concern me and to not impose it. And of course i know that "Scio me nihil scire!", therefore ready to listen "other voices".
And thank you very much that help me to practise in my little english!
Rock’n & Talk’n !
What came first?
The Rock or the Roll ?
Alexis Korner was mentioned
Ever hear his version of
Texas Radio & the Big Beat ?
Through Manzarek playing
are there any Rus influence in Doors songs?
& the lyrics
“C’mon along, not goin’ very far,
to the East to meet the Czar”
mean anything ?
many conspiracist want to know
And to really show my ignorance
“The Moorish Idol”
has that any Rus musical influence ?
what about Kreiger’s “Russian Caravan?”
Thanks- if you don’t care to answer
I completely understand
But that doesn’t quite convey the same spirit
Of course rock started with rock`n`roll, but i think that rock-music is closer to blues than to rock`n`roll for many reasons:
1. many rock-groups then played rock with blues or elements of blues (Animals, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Cream and Eric Clapton, John Mayall, Alexis Corner, Allman brothers. Johnny Winter, Canned Heat, Ten years after and Alvin Lee, Stevie Ray Vaughan, ZZ Top, Nazareth, Rolling Stones and more and more)
2. mainly rock is serious music (for the most part rock`n`roll is cheerful, but blues is blue and serious)
3. somehow in interview Morrison has told that the Doors play rock with elements white blues (or to the contrary, something like that) and what style in this songs: "Back door man", "My wild love", "Cars hiss by my window", "Crawling King snake".
4. of course Morrison like other great men long could not to be in borders of style, society or life and should be tryed to make something new (but it very deep and endless theme).
5. it applies to Manzarek and Carmina Burana (sure it`s adaptation of Orff, but what a good thing and may be called rock-opera), also Queen with their Bohemian rapsody or classical rock-operas by Lloyd Webber (in this mainly i mean borders of style)...
heart he thing tho
Carmina Burana is classical music
how does that fit in
w/rock’nrhythm jazzblue roll?
Roll Over Beethoven
Ray made it happen!!
If one wants to look into the origin of it all
“The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music”
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
one of the finest books ever penned
and a Morrison favorite.
another side note:
it was one of the first book I bought in 1969
because Morrison referenced it
in a Crawdaddy article I read.
Didn’t understand a single word of it then
and still struggle with it
Like Sisyphus rolling a rock
exactly Vadim !
That’s what I been trying to say
nothing wrong with your English
the blues mohs
I mean that: rock started with rock-n-roll, rock-n-roll started with rithm-n-blues, rithm-n-blues based on blues and jazz, jazz has roots in blues (of course it`s very simplified).
It All Started With the
And Now Its Out of
I can see why Ray chose
thanks for playing !!
Sorry, my english with broken legs...
I think all theese started with blues...
The Whole Thing Started with
Rock & Roll
Now Its Out of Control
yeah i have to agree with VadimS
The Doors is more than rock (for me).
oyeah in reference to Carmina
the monk BOUGHT LUNCH!
he bought a little...
Ha Ha !
were not looking for important \just rock
but I don't disagree
Carmina serious !!
I think "Carmina burana" is more important...