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1 year 11 months ago in Community

Hey everyone! Glad to be a part of a community of Doors fans! I recently just google searched what mysticated wine is supposed to mean and though I didn't find a very satisfying answer, I was amazed at how there was discussion on different sites on the web about the meaning of different Doors songs. I looked at a page on ' The Spy ' and was amazed that it was all just random guesses from people with no clear-cut answer that was agreed upon and accepted. I'll stick to just tackling one song per post, so I figured I'll make my first post here a theory on what the spy is actually about. Out there, sure maybe… But hopefully you'll find it interesting!

I want to go out on a limb and say that The Spy could potentially be about Orwell's 1984? For starters, in the book there is the ministry of love, and the one for peace, and etc. The song starts off saying that he's a spy in the house of love. Unlikely referring to an orgy filled estate. I know the dream that you're dreaming of, I know the word that you long to hear… Now to be fair I could have a much better explanation had I actually finished the book (I've read the first half and never had time to finish it :/) but the main character in the beginning is questioning his blind loyalty and obedience to big brother, and longs to find someone else who feels the same way. There is a government official pretty high up in which he becomes acquainted with who he hopes will say something, to reveal that he too is against this. The next line in the song is I know your deepest secret fear. This fear is apparent in the main character. Big brother knows the dream you're dreaming of, your deepest fears, etc. I know everything you do, everywhere you go, everyone you know… I'm a spy. Sounds like a full scale police state government is the spy to me… At the end he puts heavy emphasis on knowing your deepest secret fear. And then it ends with I'm a spy, I can see what you do, and I know… "know" is to reflect pretty much being omniscient, the spy knows everything.


1 year 10 months ago

thanx you for your insight; bought the book , never got around to readin' it. But, I got the gist of it. It like so applies to store knows what products I buy when they scan my card...send me coupons right on time. This website, knows I'm poor as a mouse, yet some motherfuvker here demands money pak be sent... so, the future is money pak...fuvk that. Can you bring back "Defiant" ? I think I have one thing in common with him....~SG

1 year 10 months ago

Flashing – 1984 is one of my all-time favorite books and I could go on about it for days, but I’ll try to keep this short :) Orwell left it open to interpretation, although he did briefly mention parallels to religion in the appendix. I was just sharing my analysis. He definitely took inspiration from Communist Russia to create the dystopian world in the book, I agree (and that story in itself is very interesting), but I also think it was a metaphor. I do not, however, think it was meant to be anti-religion, but I can’t really elaborate on that without ruining the end for those who haven’t read it. Read it again with the thought that Julia might represent a certain side of Winston and the conditions of his environment might have something to do with his perspective. It’s all about doublethink, so apply doublethink to the story... suddenly it changes… or does it? ;)

Jim Morrison explains the concept better than I do:

Everything spoken means that,
It’s opposite, & everything else.
I’m living. I’m dying.

With all of that in mind, read again:

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

Is any of it true in terms of religion?
I’ll add another:

True is false.

Okay, that’s a lot. I know. To understand all of that, you need to think in a very abstract and open way. Since this is a fan site for The Doors, it’s probably safe to assume you already think that way :)

1 year 10 months ago

I suppose 1984 could be viewed as anti-religion but did Orwell say this somewhere that I can read about Pajama?

The majority of Orwells work was against dictatorshiip and despotism and the allegories with Cold War are many....... Ingsoc - 2+2=5 - Airstrip1 - show trials. Just wondering if similar can be found in the book to show Big Brother was a metaphor for religion and not Stalin. Thanks.

1 year 10 months ago

I made an account to respond to this. Not many people realize it, but the "big government" in 1984 was a metaphor for religion. I highly recommend that you read the rest of it. Regarding the song... many of Jim's lyrics have double and triple entendres and can be interpreted in a multitude of ways- that is the beauty. The Spy reminds me of one of his poems:

Wilderness pg. 11.

What are you doing here?
What do you want?
Is it music?
We can play music.
But you want more.
You want something & someone new.
Am I right?
Of course I am.
I know what you want.
You want ecstasy
Desire & dreams.
Things not exactly what they seem.
I lead you this way, he pulls that way.
I'm not singing to an imaginary girl.
I'm talking to you, my self.
Let's recreate the world.
The palace of conception is burning.

Look. See it burn.
Bask in the warm hot coals.

You're too young to be old
You don't need to be told
You want to see things as they are.
You know exactly what I do

1 year 10 months ago

I haven't read the full Anais Nin novel but I wouldn't be surprised if Jim had.

1 year 10 months ago

Sorry guys, but I think you are reaching. I strongly believe this song is about Pam, like so many of his songs were. Whether you want to admit it or not, the guy was head over heels. Even though she drove him nuts. She was his cosmic mate, as we all know. I know the guy was deep, but he still had that soft spot. I've said it before, read the book called FAQ, Everything you wanted to know about the Doors. It's a great read. There's a lot of songs that we know he wrote for Pam...Roadhouse Blues, Unhappy Girl, Love Street, just to name few. She was his inspiration. Every guy has that one chick that does it for him. Don't read too much into that song.

1 year 10 months ago

Now that you mention it, yes it refers to Orwells 1984 quite a lot on the lyrical side.
House of love, the deepest secret fear...I know everything!
The observation screen (right expression in english, have just read it though only in finnish) on the wall behind the painting. Yes these lyrics really add up to all that!
Does anyone know if this particular song has really got its inspiration from Orwells 1984??

This surely gives me a new perspective to my favourite The Doors Album (Morrison Hotel) and its depths!

1 year 11 months ago

That's quite astute. I did the book at at high school (16yoa) so am quite familiar with it. "I know your deepest, secret, fear" line could have been straight out of 1984 but I don't think the other parallel with the Ministry of Love had ever occurred to me. WTG

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